Who's Gonna Tell Her?

You Vent, They Remember

• Cici & V • Season 2 • Episode 3

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Not every rough moment needs an audience.


SPEAKER_01

Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back to the show. Thanks for hanging out with us again and dealing with our shit. Welcome to the Who's Gonna Teller podcast? Um, real talk. Should we vent to other people about our marriages slash relationships? We don't want to niche this episode too much because the girlies who are not married, we want you to still be able to relate. But what do you think about that? I was I was thinking about that the other day.

SPEAKER_00

I think it is relatable. I think like once you're in a relationship, it is what it is. It's like, do you tell um do you vent? And I think that that's a that can be a forbidden zone.

SPEAKER_01

You gotta try it lightly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you do when it comes. You tell that one friend one thing, and then suddenly it feels like I don't know, it feels like it's out there, like a published headline. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

And I I don't know. And then all of a sudden, like you're the villain in your own relationship, and yeah, it's sometimes it feels on brand. Yeah, because I think I am the villain sometimes.

SPEAKER_00

Being the villain is more fun, but I think it's a dangerous territory when you have these people like okay, like say it's family members, like they're in your life.

SPEAKER_01

Speaking of villains, who's your favorite Disney villain?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. I would say it's probably between Ursula and Maleficent.

SPEAKER_01

Those are mine! Oh my god, now I have to Okay. Okay, hmm. Maleficent's good. Maleficent is that bitch. But so is Ursula. Ursula's D. Like she is.

SPEAKER_00

She is that bitch. I know. I know she'd be like, we're titties.

SPEAKER_01

Titties first! Second, okay. Okay. Or should I say tentacle second? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang, what is okay, those are mine. I I'm I'm not thinking on the spot right now. I don't. What are the other women villains? Um, yeah, no, I have nothing. Okay, so that's good. Um okay, back to the subject. So why do you think we want to vent?

SPEAKER_00

Why do we do it? I mean validation, right? Like first and and I don't know. Sometimes it feels easier to be in a situation when you feel like you have somebody who understands you or somebody who's aware. Um, like someone to witness your frustration, but without the consequences. That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_01

That's true. And I think sometimes it's just like sanity saving. Like you have to sometimes say things out loud or you're gonna lose it. I've gotten really good at not though. I actually think you should never vent to your friends about your relationship, unless the friend is a safe space and you know for sure like you're not gonna get judged for it, or your spouse or your partner's not gonna get judged for it. Or if it's mostly a me problem. If it's a me problem, then I'll share it. But if it has something to do with him, I don't need your opinions.

SPEAKER_00

So do you vent? Do you personally vent about your marriage? Well, I mean to other people because I know she vents to me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I think I vent to you the most. I think I vent to you the most, but honestly, no. Really? I used to, I used to be the person who would every little thing that came about would tell my friends. Every little thing. Even if it was like because I started feeling like I was inviting unwarranted opinions, but I mean they were kind of warranted because I I opened the portal and I vented to them, but like I just I think one day I woke up and I was just like, you know what? I don't really give a fuck about y'all's opinions, and I just don't because it sways how you feel about it, it honestly, it subconsciously sways how you feel about the person. I don't care what nobody says. Your friends, like the things that people are putting in your ear, like you can say all you want that you don't care about what people think, you don't care about what people are saying, but it does have like this very silent effect on the opinions you form that are connected to whatever circumstance you're in. Passive aggressive. Yes, yes, and so that's why because I think most of the time, most of the time I'm just annoyed and I just need to regulate, but I would run to those people in the height of my emotion, and like as it's happening, I'm calling and I'm like, oh my god, he did this. I'm so fucking annoyed, and I'm so like blah, blah, blah, blah. But little did I know it was like form, it was helping the other person form this opinion about the person that I was with, and then like it's a problem immediately times that they're like they already have an opinion of them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they almost feed that energy where they're like, no, he did it again. Yeah, and it makes things worse. Yeah, yeah. It's like they're going through it too.

SPEAKER_01

Um there's a lot of risk there is inventing.

SPEAKER_00

I think that I did the opposite as you. I think at the very beginning, I mean, in my relationship now, like in the very beginning, I didn't say anything about it at all, to the point where people were like, You act like everything's perfect. And I was like, No, I don't act like everything's perfect. I just don't tell you shit. Yeah. And for me, that was very good. Um and I I think it's I honestly don't think it's a bad thing not to tell, you know, not to vent. Sometimes it feels like you're in you're dealing with things on your own. And that's like probably the downfall of it or the negative side of it. But I do think it's like you said, you are subconsciously taking on or paying attention or considering that. It's just like when your your family members are like, I don't like them, you're like, I don't care what you like, but deep down inside. But deep down, you're like, Alright, I can't, you need to change, or you can work out. Um it has an effect, it does. I and I also feel like um when you're venting, you're giving them that perception from that like little piece of the pie right there. There's also his point of view, there's also the truth, right? There's also like, you know, what really happened. So I feel like if they continue getting your persp, you know, your perspective of it, it does thwart their opinion on him. Like, so you don't see all the good things he does because I don't call event about that. Like, you don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I'm calling about negative shit, right?

SPEAKER_00

Because that's always louder. Yes, you're not like, oh my god, he did this thing for me. Oh my god, he like cooked me breakfast. You're or he asked me. But why do we do that? Why don't we share positive things about that's just humanity, like just way of the like think about news stories. What hits what do you go to more? You don't nobody wants to watch the news that's good. That's true, that's true. As much as we complain about like always having bad stories how awful the world is, yeah, you're still dialing in. And then I see so many times, like there's like good news channels or good news feeds, and I I subscribe, but I'm still like on the shit channels too. Yeah, I don't know what that is. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

That's just we I think we cling more to what's negative. That's always what stands out, yeah. And that's always what stands out. And then I feel like when you vent to people about your relationship or about your marriage, I think that like I said, it's you do kind of walk back how you actually feel about that person, and you start to kind of doubt your own, yeah, in the middle of the event, and you start to even like doubt your own perception of your reality and like what your experience is with that person. Because like you could tell me something about Ryan, and I'm just like, oh my god, like he's so XYZ, like he's fucking impossible, and then into protective mode, you're like, Yeah, and then you're he's actually not, but then in the back of your mind, you're like, damn, is he impossible? Is she right about what she's saying?

SPEAKER_00

Is she but I think that also you're using them as a soundboard, like because like if you were to say this out loud to somebody that you thought was like just you know, kind of you are gonna walk, like you're walking through your own thoughts, yeah. Like because it's emotional at the time, so you're like uh heightened emotion and you're yeah, kind of walking it through, and it kind of sucks sometimes when they get a kind of perception of the person that's not accurate, you know, it's just based on that one thing, and that's where I think we start to regret and we start to say, Hey, we can't do this because it's not their fault that they're actually getting a perception. Like they're human, like you're asking for their opinion, you're asking for things like that. I think that also at the beginning of a relationship, while I do think it's important not for me at least, it it was better for me not to kind of vent. I kept it all inside, which was so emotionally draining and so hard. I feel that as you get into a relationship, once it matures and you're kind of like in a different place, you do need that venting. Like I am for it now. Like and I think my you know, I I think my husband would agree. Like, I think it's important to be able to vent to friends because uh now I'm so like it's you're now secure in the relationship, there is no doubt, and that could change, right? The relationships are always up and down, but I do think that it helps to have other friends that are in relationships say, Oh my god, like yeah, but just keep take it easy because they've already gone through the up and down and they're not you know they're not dealing with the same thing as you. I have one of my best friends, we have this joke because whenever like you have other friends. So whenever so whenever I bring it up, like whenever I say to her, like I'm annoyed, she's like, Oh, me and him are fine, like we're great, we're the best we've ever been. And it's like this joke. Whenever, like, me and my husband are like doing amazing, she's like, I'm not talking to him. I haven't talked to him in like a week. And I'm like, What?

SPEAKER_01

Like, who does that?

SPEAKER_00

Who does that? Yeah, she does.

SPEAKER_01

I'm like, bro, you're my only best friend. Can we wrap this up?

SPEAKER_00

Like, you know, I can't do it no more. But it's funny, we're always like, and it's good for us, though. Like in our friendship, when we vent to each other, she's always like, you know, like he's alright, because she's like in a good place with hers. Yeah. And then when she tells me, I'm like, I just got over this. So I'm like, no, it's okay. You're not gonna, it's not that big of a deal. Like, we'll get over it.

SPEAKER_01

Do you vent to people who are not married about your marriage?

SPEAKER_00

Only if they're like, only if they really know my husband. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have a couple of friends who aren't married, and I wouldn't mind him venting to them or preventing, like, because they know me. Right. Like, they're not gonna be like, you know, it's like different when you're first dating, they're like, leave them. Or like, they're not good for you. Or like, like, we're married now. They'd known us, like the friends that we have in our relationship probably been friends with us for over 10 years. They I've we've been together for so long, they know they're not gonna be like, you need to leave her or you need to leave him. They're gonna be like, Well, Ryan, you know, XYZ or mean XYZ. Like, I feel like in at this point, if you're friends with him, you're friends with me, and vice versa. Right. So I actually feel more comfortable talking to them because I know they love him and they love me. They form their own opinion on him and they form their own opinion on me, and they to me that's a more balanced opinion and like a more you know, balanced advice than you're just dating this guy and it's just starting out, and they don't, you know, you're like, oh, he did this, and you're like, what? Yeah, or like how could you or no, that you gotta go, like, or you gotta tell him.

SPEAKER_01

I think it depends on for me, one, your capacity and your level of emotional intelligence, and two, like, where are you in your life? Like, if you are single and out here in the streets and you are out here just you know frolicking amongst uh, you know, the I probably will not share my marital issues with you. Um, and I have to feel extremely like 110% safe. I have to feel like whatever I say to you is for today. Now, if you see me, you know, if you see me beg with him tomorrow, if you, you know, if I done told you, girl, I'm leaving him today, and you see me up under him tomorrow, like mind your business. Don't bring it up. Don't be like, oh, well, girl, yesterday you told me that you know you were leaving him and you were packing your things and it was, you know, box to the left, Miss Beyonce, you're a place like, no, girl, I married. That is marriage.

SPEAKER_00

So I think, and I I think what you're saying is that the healthy or the the best way to vent, to vent, and it's okay to vent, but the best way to do it is to be strategic. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

I was just gonna get there. I'm like, is there a healthy way to vent? And I think there is, I think you have to not share every single thing. I think oversharing in relationships are that is the beginning to the end, in my opinion. Because I don't I don't need you to I think I took this a lot more seriously when I actually got married. I was just like, okay, we're married now. Like, we're you know, I don't know the weird thing that happens, right?

SPEAKER_00

It's just like shift. It's like it's so funny because when I got married, I was like, it's just a paper. It's like fine, but this weird thing happens where you're like all proper about things and you're like pretending to be like, you want to protect it. Yeah, it's really weird. I'm glad that you that's that's funny. That's something that I don't think they discuss. I think that maybe it's more apparent to people who have like a big wedding, and because I did both, right? Like, so it's like so. I think that when you have a big wedding and it's this big show, then it's like okay, everybody knows this big change is gonna happen. But if it's like a quiet justice of the peace type thing, it's really like a phenomenon what happens because you're like, we literally just went to the courthouse and came back, but I don't know. When I'm cooking dinner today, it feels a little different.

SPEAKER_01

It feels a little different. I know so.

SPEAKER_00

When I'm going shopping, it feels like I've I'm running a household. Yes, there it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I think to vent in a healthy way, I think you have to A pick your audience wisely, and I think B, you need to pick your moments wisely. And I don't think everything is meant to be shared. I think if it's something that really, really bothers you, sit with it by yourself. And if you need an outside perspective, usually when I feel like, okay, is there something that I could have done differently? Maybe I'm not seeing it. Again, to your point, it has to be somebody who really knows me. So, and I need somebody who's gonna not agree with me all the time and be honest and tell me, like, hey girl, you were kind of tripping in that situation. I understand why he did what he did or he felt the way that he felt. You know, you need to probably apologize or you need to be the one to kind of fit. Get you wrong. Right. Let me call somebody else because this is not what I need right now. But no, seriously, um, I think you need to vent with a plan to let it go and not marinate it in it and not do it in the height of your emotions. Send it yourself for a little bit first.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's okay to get deep. Like, I think it's okay to get very personal. I love getting deep. Like, I know that at this.

SPEAKER_01

Y'all forgot.

unknown

We did it.

SPEAKER_00

But I definitely think it's okay to get personal, but you have to. I don't I don't think there's a problem with that because like I have people in my life, if I feel safe enough with you for me to get personal and deep, like with my personal feelings. Yeah. Then, you know, it's I'm more inclined to, even though that would come after, it would be me first, and then like relationship stuff, I'm more inclined to then bring those type of situations or I hate the word vent, discuss, you know, conversations, discussion. Or just like, you know, hold space for for my feelings on something that's happening with my husband or even my kids. Because we're talking about like relationships, but to me, the relationship I have with my kids, or even my mother, my sister, things like that, those are just as I think guarded for me as the relationship I have with like a significant other. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

Because it's like one of those things, like I think we always want to like protect the person underneath it all love, you know. Yeah, it's not like a boss that you're like it's hard for me sometimes to vent to people about not really not so much about I think it's harder to vent about like motherhood stuff to people who are not moms because I feel like it's it's an experience that you think you have to the opposite, no, but to say what you think. I think that it's an in it's an experience that you have to understand and you have to have gone through in order to really understand the concepts that I'm throwing at you in the middle of conversations.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's easier to vent to people who aren't mothers, but how?

SPEAKER_01

Because they can't relate, they don't understand where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_00

My single friends are like, mm-hmm, damn right, come back out. All of them they're like, I'm like, these damn kids, fuck them kids. You know, that brings us back like that.

SPEAKER_01

Why do we vent? Are we looking for someone to be in agreement with us?

SPEAKER_00

And then when they say that, I'm like, no, no, no, don't fuck them kids. No, I'm like, those are my babies. No, no, I was just no, I need to go be on my moment. I gotta go. But um, it's easy for me, honestly. Like, because I get immediate validation.

SPEAKER_01

Is it because I was gonna say I was gonna say, is it because you get that immediate validation?

SPEAKER_00

But it's not as meaningful like when I vent to another mom. They're like, no, and then you know, usually what happens is like I'm like, oh, let me go hug them. Let me go talk to them. Let me like when I talk to mom, they're like, it's okay, like you're hurt, and we've gone through it, and they always throw like you only got like five more Christmases when or whatever it is, you know that shit. Five more years where they're in here, or five more Christmases. I didn't need you to go.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. Let's focus on today. Guilty. Let's focus on the moment.

SPEAKER_00

I actually am okay with, you know, but if they were to push too hard, I'm like, I gotta go. Like, I gotta go have the kids.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So it's easy, it's easy for me to both have it. That's interesting. Listen, my single friends be like, yeah. I'm like, I'm a mom, I got responsibilities. That shit draws me, they both draw me back to my kids.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I think boundaries, boundaries, uh yeah. I also think venting to people who ask too many questions is kind of annoying. Um, not too many questions, but you're asking questions to be nosy. When people vent to me, so this is my trick. So tell me about that. Explain. This is my trick. When people vent to me, I'll be like, so before they say anything, I'm like, do you want me to be do you want me to just listen or do you want my opinion before I like insert myself? Oh, I like that. And sometimes they'll be like, Oh, I just, you know, I just wanted you to listen. And I'm like, okay, okay, well, cool, you know. And then sometimes they'll be like, Well, of course, I want your opinion. That's why I invented to you, bitch. Like, cough it up. Um, that's good. But I like that. It's like, you know, you're kind of adjusting to that person's expectations and that person's boundaries in the conversation. Cause really sometimes they just want you to listen. They don't want your opinion, they just want to get it out and get it off. Um, but we do have that one friend that you know it tell it turns into a three-part mini doc, uh mini-series if you tell them your business and the stuff that's going on. And um and then suddenly you're in somebody else's podcast. Where are the mics? I know where are the mics. So I think venting is a little bit necessary to your point. Earlier, you said I think venting is good. I think we do need to vent about our relationships with people, especially with our spouses, our partners. But just make sure it's strategic.

SPEAKER_00

Like that's what I really like like anything, right? I think it's okay, but I feel like if you're venting to the wrong person, you're gonna it's gonna feel wrong.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

And you just have to kind of let that guide you.

SPEAKER_01

I would always get that feeling um when I would overshare. I used to be a chronic overshare. Me too.

SPEAKER_00

And I was I felt somewhere where that's like a like a survival. Instinct like that's yes, like trauma instinct. Yeah, yeah. I think so. Something like that. I think so, but I haven't fully unpacked that yet. I have to do that. But I think so. We're not. That's our next episode.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. Um, but yeah, I used to be a chronic oversharer, and I think that um I would always feel very awkward after the fact. I'd be like, damn, I did too much, or damn, I shouldn't have did that. Immediate regret. Immediate.

SPEAKER_00

I don't, that's the worst feeling.

SPEAKER_01

It's the worst feeling. It's a I can't take it back. Now you know too much about me.

SPEAKER_00

And then we're still friends. And then we're still friends, yeah. But I'm mad at you as much as I'm at me, but it's not your fault. It's not your fault. But it's like, it's my I feel like whatever energy you're giving, like I don't know, it just feels vulnerable.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yes. And I don't like that. Me and vulnerability don't go together. Either. Yeah. All right. It's time for our weekly segment. Say it ugly. I um she's not the first. Y'all know she got a baby voice.

unknown

She's not the person.

SPEAKER_00

Say it. Okay. It sounds like a talk show. Remember like I know, but I love it.

SPEAKER_01

I know. We love it. That's funny. So this is the segment where we say one thought that we had this week that we would never say out loud without this just wonderful mic in front of us. Raw, uncut. I don't ask questions. I don't ask you to unpack that, explain it, save space. No disclaimers, no apologies, no you love my kids, but no. Fuck them kids. Yes, yes, this is the part where we say that. I can talk out of this person. Um so my I'll go first. Yes. My ugly thought this week has nothing to do with this episode. Um, but when I say, when I tell people, let me know if I can help with anything. Don't. Don't let me know. If I'm not sure, that's such a good one. Actually, don't. You're just being polite. I'm just being polite. That's like if I asked you, like, oh, um, do you want some of my food? And you say yes. I'm like, why did you do that? Don't say that.

SPEAKER_00

I used to feel like that in high school where you know you'd like go to get a piece of gum out, and they'd be like, and you're like, do you want a piece? I don't want you to say yes.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Like it's just the same feeling. And then I stopped asking.

SPEAKER_01

I was like, no, fuck this. Yeah. Because if I feel this way, other people do too. That's my ugly thought for the week.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I have. Let me see. Okay. Hmm. So one ugly thought I have. And it's just because of the holidays and things like that, you know, we just kind of um came off of. I feel like sometimes the healthiest boundary you could have is cutting people off. And I mean family members. I mean like I don't owe you any loyalty if you're gonna act the fool. Like, if you're gonna act like a piece of shit, like, then I'm gonna treat you like a piece of shit. Just cause we share, like, like at some point it's enough. And you know, it's the oh well, you need to because they are familiar. Like, no, I don't, and I won't. Yeah. And I stand by that, I'm okay with it. I will cut, like, when I say cut you off, like completely cut you off. Like blocked, cut off. Who is that person? Okay, make your bad lie in it. And I feel like have you done that? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like that's the only question I'm asking.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, no questions. I feel like if it feels right, then that's validation.

SPEAKER_01

And if I it feels like we're greater, we're going off of how we feel a lot this year.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, like if it feels good for me, it's a yes. Exactly. So I just feel like you know, um if it feels good when you block that cousin or you stop talking to that aunt or uncle, then that is, I don't know, your inner self kind of telling you, like, you go girl. Like this, this is this is what we're trying to do. And I don't think that if they aren't acting like family members are supposed to act, then you shouldn't feel obliged to act, you know, to reciprocate that, like to give that back to them. And I don't care how it sounds, I know it's like like I'm very close, like have a very close, you know, knit family, and really, really, really, really um family means a lot to me, but don't play with me. Like, I don't know. Don't play in my face, don't like it's very good, like you're dead to me. Like it's that easy. I think we talked about this in another episode. I'm really good at that, but it ain't nothing to cut that off. But blood, yeah, blood is thicker than water. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01

And that's family included, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01

Such a crutch when people say that. I don't even know what is thicker than that.

SPEAKER_00

I don't even, you know, I I you hear that. I don't even know if that that's true. I don't know. It probably is, but I listen, it ain't today.

SPEAKER_01

Blood is the same viscosity as water, or wine, or wine, hello. Drink that bitch and piss it out. Hello. Okay, um, that was a great ugly thought. It was so ugly. Cut off family, cut them off, cut them holes off, and don't say yes to my polite requests or to my my polite. Do you need help? No. If you need anything, let me know. I'm tired of being I'm tired of helping people move for beer and chicken wings. I'm tired of it.

SPEAKER_00

I've never helped anyone move.

SPEAKER_01

But in the past, I haven't I haven't helped somebody move in a long time.

SPEAKER_00

You have? Yes. I've never in my life. I think people, I think I have really good friends.

SPEAKER_01

But they always give you like sucky rewards.

SPEAKER_00

I think people know who I am. Do you want some chicken? Do you want some chicken wings? Do you want something? I think people realize that I'm not good at moving. Ah, no. No. I don't even ask. I'd be like, if you need anything, let me know. But don't. And then when I see them calling, I'm like, I'm in the shower.

SPEAKER_01

Anyways. Are we bad people for not asking people if they need help moving? No, I don't think so. We're all in the house. I mean, if you really need my help, I can help you, but I'm higher saying that.

SPEAKER_00

If you really need my help, you need help.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you need more than just you might need mental help. But I don't really ask for help. I know I don't either. That's the episode for another day. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because I don't like to inconvenience people. Neither. Um, but I like playing with others. I to wrap the episode up, I feel like um don't plant unnecessary seeds of doubt about your marriage, about your relationship. Also, but like don't give a fuck either. You know, if you need to vent and you need to say some off-the-wall shit, don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00

I think the really shit we said was like make it strategic. Make it strategic. If you feel okay, okay, I'm off the rails. I'm off the rails. If you feel safe with somebody enough to like share your inner thoughts with them or like how you really feel, like be vulnerable with them. But at the same time, if that I I really do feel it's important that person knows and has a relationship or some kind of like exposure to the person you're venting about. Because like for me, I'm not really gonna hold your opinion. Like, even if I would have vent about a boss or like a coworker or something like that. Yeah, if you I would prefer to vent to somebody who works in the office with me. Yeah, yeah. Like, or at school, if I'm venting about a teacher, don't you want somebody who's in the class? Because if I tell you this teacher, she's a bitch, she's this, she's that, or him, this boss is like she's crazy, whatever, you're gonna go off of me because I'm who you know. But if it's somebody who has like exposure to that person or a relationship, like that's somebody that I think you could consider venting to. I think so too. If you also can feel vulnerable around them.

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Shift your perspective, venting is a tool, it's not a weapon. Right. Know when, how, and with whom. I think those are the biggest takeaways. And remember that you can you can love your spouse, you can love your partner, you can still be annoyed by them. It's it's a human thing. For sure. You know, um, so a lifetime is that a lifetime is forever. Yeah. And you don't expect me to that's the beauty in it. That's the life some of the days. That's the spiciness. Yeah, it really keeps me on my toes. It keeps me on my toes. Um, I hope that um, you know, one day your kids, your spouse, they may hear about your venting, they may not, but I hope you can say that you were honest, but that you were also careful and strategic. Reckless. Yeah. Yeah. And don't feel guilty about venting. Uh be strategic about who you're venting to. That's the biggest takeaway here. Um do you have anything else to say on the matta? I don't. But thank you for listening. Yes. And we will see you next week. That wraps this episode of Who's Gonna Teller? Thanks. Bye bye. Thank you.